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the president on foreign policy with specific criticisms of the way in which the administration handled the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya, meant to signal romney will continue to attack the president on the economy, and jobs, but, also on foreign policy and all of the issues, of being commander-in-chief. in the 2012 campaign. >> arthel: thank you very much, a big crowd waiting for mitt romney and the president had no public events today but his campaign says that it has noted stopped him from shattering a major record. carl mentioned this earlier. september fund-raising ended at $181 million. topping his previous record by nearly $70 million. it's the biggest single month haul he has had during this is re-election bid and the president said more than 1.8 million people donated last month. republicans have yet to report their september totals. >> rick: major defense budget cuts are set to automatically kick in at the end of the year and time is running out for congress to stop it from happening and it could trigger job losses as well. why is this white house advising de
the president on foreign policy with specific criticisms of the way in which the administration handled the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya, meant to signal romney will continue to attack the president on the economy, and jobs, but, also on foreign policy and all of the issues, of being commander-in-chief. in the 2012 campaign. >> arthel: thank you very much, a big crowd waiting for mitt romney and the president had no public events today but his campaign says that it has...
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policy as it relates to the arab spring. i think if the governor wants to, he can use this format, which is open ended on the economy, talk about the economy, but also about american strength and how that can or will be affected in the future economically. so i wouldn't be surprised at all if what you saw in that op-ed that governor romney wrote for the "wall street journal" doesn't become part of a response to a larnler conversation about not just economics in america, but the economic projection, the values projection and foreign policy pro jex. >> let me ask you about the deb krzyzewskied. it's going to be six segments. the moderator has some ability to let it go and bring the conversation more broadly. breathe more than we've seen in the past. does that favor one person or the other? >> no, i don't think so. i think as you know, who goes first was determined by coin flip and there's a slight advantage of having your opponent go first. in the opening, romney won the coin toss because president obama goes first and that me
policy as it relates to the arab spring. i think if the governor wants to, he can use this format, which is open ended on the economy, talk about the economy, but also about american strength and how that can or will be affected in the future economically. so i wouldn't be surprised at all if what you saw in that op-ed that governor romney wrote for the "wall street journal" doesn't become part of a response to a larnler conversation about not just economics in america, but the...
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here's what he said slamming the president on foreign policy. by failing to maintain the elements of our influence and stepping away from our alleys, president obama has heightened the prospect of conflict and instability. he does not understand an american policy that lacks resolve can provoke aggression. the arab spring presented an opportunity to help move millions of people from oppression to freedom, but it also presented grave risks. we needed a strategy for success, but the president offered none. and now he seeks to down play the significance of the calamities of the past few weeks. steve, does he have a point? >> no. what's the old saying? that dog won't hunt. i don't think you can criticize barack obama on his foreign policy achievements. it's a tough world out there. it's complicated. things don't always happen the way we want them to, but they have done a terrific job of handling very difficult situations. they killed osama bin laden. i think they have a record to stand on that the president can proudly go to the debates and argue wi
here's what he said slamming the president on foreign policy. by failing to maintain the elements of our influence and stepping away from our alleys, president obama has heightened the prospect of conflict and instability. he does not understand an american policy that lacks resolve can provoke aggression. the arab spring presented an opportunity to help move millions of people from oppression to freedom, but it also presented grave risks. we needed a strategy for success, but the president...
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foreign policy in trouble? joining us from boston, fox news military analyst, colonel david hunt and ralph peters. colonel peters, we in trouble foreign policy wise? >> the obama administration has never had a foreign policy. bill, he's only had this assortment of confused, naive initiatives poisoned by ideology, deformed by politic, driven by politics, and the only thing these initiatives in the foreign affairs realm have had in common has been their failure. if you look from benghazi to beijing, in this afro-asian realm of crisis, there is not one troubled country, not one, not russia, not china, certainly not iran, afghanistan, pakistan, certainly not israel, not one country in which relations are healthier or more constructive than under george w. bush, and that was a pretty low standard. >> bill: what do you say, colonel hunt? >> i think the specificity of the policy when you look at libya in which we wanted a lower american profile with the weakest profile we've had security since 1979 first ambassador we
foreign policy in trouble? joining us from boston, fox news military analyst, colonel david hunt and ralph peters. colonel peters, we in trouble foreign policy wise? >> the obama administration has never had a foreign policy. bill, he's only had this assortment of confused, naive initiatives poisoned by ideology, deformed by politic, driven by politics, and the only thing these initiatives in the foreign affairs realm have had in common has been their failure. if you look from benghazi to...
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. >> and i think that biden is going to want to talk foreign policy and i think the polls have shown that the president's doing good on that, not as well as he was, that gap has narrowed with the events in the middle east, but still, we killed bin laden and bringing troops home. it will be interesting how team romney respond on foreign policy. >> i don't know if he tries to go too hard on foreign policy in big trouble because of what happened in benghazi, ryan will use that against him and i think damage him very badly. >> but ryan is a rookie on foreign policy, that's not his area of expertise and i've heard him and he sounds more callow than on the budget in some of these things. and it's interesting to see if he's done a full emerges on that and does pretty well. >> i'd like to see them get into the battle what happened with the super committee and the deficit last year. joe biden said last week paul ryan walked away from the committee and the details would be fun to listen to. >> ryan has a good answer to that, how the president sabotaged it. more to come in the second half hour,
. >> and i think that biden is going to want to talk foreign policy and i think the polls have shown that the president's doing good on that, not as well as he was, that gap has narrowed with the events in the middle east, but still, we killed bin laden and bringing troops home. it will be interesting how team romney respond on foreign policy. >> i don't know if he tries to go too hard on foreign policy in big trouble because of what happened in benghazi, ryan will use that against...
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not about foreign policy. the mormon identity and i want to also point out i have been busy on this but struck by it. this is wednesday's washington post and my wife pointed it out to me. a story up here at the top. at u.n. the president issues a challenge. here is the lead story. ohio florida give obama an edge. here is the side-bar story. for obama the buckeye state maybe a bulls eye. my wife turned to me and said well, i guess the race is over according to the washington post. am i overreacting to this? and more importantly is my wife overreact on this? >> reporting on the poll there's has been discussion about the polling and whether the polling is oversampling democrats. to come extent political reporters report on polls and that drives the narrate ives. the biggest problem mitt romney has in terms of media bias is less an idelogical bias and the attacked that they are covering him as if he is losing. they never covered george w. bush like he was going to lose. >> you look like you are going to come out o
not about foreign policy. the mormon identity and i want to also point out i have been busy on this but struck by it. this is wednesday's washington post and my wife pointed it out to me. a story up here at the top. at u.n. the president issues a challenge. here is the lead story. ohio florida give obama an edge. here is the side-bar story. for obama the buckeye state maybe a bulls eye. my wife turned to me and said well, i guess the race is over according to the washington post. am i...
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policy, which is hands down much more popular than any recent president in time, that foreign policy is not being effective and the president has a clear advantage in the campaign on this issue. >> sw joel ruben thank you for your time. thank you. >> the supreme court begins a new term today and it tops our look at stories around the news nation. the nation's highest court is taking on the high profile issues among them affirmative action in school admissions process, the voting rights act of 1965 and federal recognition of same-sex marriage. next week the supreme court is expected to hear arguments on the affirmative action case which is based on a texas student's claim that she was denied admission to the university of texas because she's white. and police in tennessee are searching for two missing children, a 9-year-old and her 7-year-old brother. both children mysteriously vanished after their grandparents home was burned to the ground south of nashville last sunday. they were originally presumed dead in the fire. police issued an amber alert. no leads. >>> and our "news nation"
policy, which is hands down much more popular than any recent president in time, that foreign policy is not being effective and the president has a clear advantage in the campaign on this issue. >> sw joel ruben thank you for your time. thank you. >> the supreme court begins a new term today and it tops our look at stories around the news nation. the nation's highest court is taking on the high profile issues among them affirmative action in school admissions process, the voting...
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the vice presidential debate, the town hall presidential debate and then the debate on foreign policy. >> i think we throw out the myth that somehow or other only the first debates matter. i think the other debates will have big audiences. i'm through with the expectations game. i think vice president biden will do very well next week. i think the president will bring his best game to these next two debates. this guy is a fourth quarter player. we saw it on health care and in the 2008 primaries. when the going to gets tough, when the pressure is on, he really steps up to it. i think barack obama whether do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters think about this,do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters think about this, we all play it as a game. if you were an average person sitting at home last night, you said, wait a minute, i suspect that guy romney's going to increase my taxes. wait a minute, i'm a senior. it will cost me $600 more for prescription drugs. i think those are the things that are important to voters and that's why i think the pres
the vice presidential debate, the town hall presidential debate and then the debate on foreign policy. >> i think we throw out the myth that somehow or other only the first debates matter. i think the other debates will have big audiences. i'm through with the expectations game. i think vice president biden will do very well next week. i think the president will bring his best game to these next two debates. this guy is a fourth quarter player. we saw it on health care and in the 2008...
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for example you have economic crises and foreign policy crises. if you play poker, you're used to playing your hand well. you catch a lucky card or you play bad and catch the card of your life. you used to think about improbability. you are calmer when you watch the he ebb and flow of polls an political news. >> you talk about weather forecasting has improved over the years, and the glitch that sort of caused the ibm computer to beat gary in the 1997 chess game. what are the worst at predicting? what do we get wrong more than anything else? >> in general the field of economic prediction is a pretty bad example. for example, in december of 2007, most people in the "wall street journal's" forecasting panel, 45 distinguished economists said we would not go into a recession over the next year. in fact, it turned out we were already in recession by december 2007. it was later revealed through the data. when we're in a recession we don't know it half the time and can't predict the macro economy more than six months in advance. you had all kinds of probl
for example you have economic crises and foreign policy crises. if you play poker, you're used to playing your hand well. you catch a lucky card or you play bad and catch the card of your life. you used to think about improbability. you are calmer when you watch the he ebb and flow of polls an political news. >> you talk about weather forecasting has improved over the years, and the glitch that sort of caused the ibm computer to beat gary in the 1997 chess game. what are the worst at...
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policy and national security. and he has proven adept at walking the tight rope at great heights by refusing to take a stand on any issue of any substance at any time this entire campaign cycle. the problem with this clown show is that while it's been entertaining, the ticket price is also very high. as the gop verges on going from grand old party to tired old side show americans are denied a functioning two-party system, a robust debate that is at the very heart of our democracy. so, governor romney, kindly set aside the youtube clips, the you didn't build thats, and the conservative dog whistles that guess what all of us can hear, put up a good fight, an honest fight, in the end politics may still be a circus, but the country deserves more than just peanuts. thanks again to kurt, richard, karen and michael. that is all for now. i will see you back here tomorrow for post-debate analysis at noon eastern, 9:00 a.m. pacific when joined by savannah guthrie, former governor ed rendell, professorer michael eric dyson a
policy and national security. and he has proven adept at walking the tight rope at great heights by refusing to take a stand on any issue of any substance at any time this entire campaign cycle. the problem with this clown show is that while it's been entertaining, the ticket price is also very high. as the gop verges on going from grand old party to tired old side show americans are denied a functioning two-party system, a robust debate that is at the very heart of our democracy. so, governor...
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this is a weak foreign policy. with terrible results. which makes us less safe. >> chris: let me pick up on a couple of those. syria, governor romney would not put u.s. troops on the ground in syria and, the red line is where barack obama's is, there is no big difference -- >> sure there is, iran, the biggest threat we have. the different is credibility. the president's iran policy lacks credibty. what i mean when i say that is, the ayatollahs in iran, they have to make a decision to stop pursuing a nuclear weapon, and, pursue a peaceful resolution. but they are no doing that. and i would argue that is because the president doesn't have credibility. he fought and resisted tough sanctions, to the last moment and he was silent on the green revolution while e we had a chance for a peaceful up rising for democracy that cracked down. when he puts the military option on the table he does it in a way that doesn't have credibility, baugh his administration sends out mixed signals such as, they are more about an israeli attack -- >> let me give y
this is a weak foreign policy. with terrible results. which makes us less safe. >> chris: let me pick up on a couple of those. syria, governor romney would not put u.s. troops on the ground in syria and, the red line is where barack obama's is, there is no big difference -- >> sure there is, iran, the biggest threat we have. the different is credibility. the president's iran policy lacks credibty. what i mean when i say that is, the ayatollahs in iran, they have to make a decision...
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romney calls obama's foreign policy dangerous. romney's debate plan, clearly and concisely explain how he can fix the economy. >> i expect to be able to describe that in a way people will understand, and if they do, i get elected. >> reporter: his running mate, paul ryan, is already preparing for his own debate a week away. >> i really believe in the policies that we're providing, we're pursuing. and at the end of the day, i'm just going to go in there and be me. >> reporter: and if you can't control what actually happens in the debate, you certainly control what happens afterwards. the spin already in the planning. ryan's going to be with romney in virginia. the president is staying in colorado for a rally there. veronica? >> tracie, we appreciate it. thank you. >>> nato forces in afghanistan say three international service members and their translator were killed in a suicide bombing in the eastern part of the country this morning. this as the war in afghanistan reached a grim milestone sunday with a death of the 2,000th u.s. se
romney calls obama's foreign policy dangerous. romney's debate plan, clearly and concisely explain how he can fix the economy. >> i expect to be able to describe that in a way people will understand, and if they do, i get elected. >> reporter: his running mate, paul ryan, is already preparing for his own debate a week away. >> i really believe in the policies that we're providing, we're pursuing. and at the end of the day, i'm just going to go in there and be me. >>...
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he gave a foreign policy speech, this monday, i am afraid it's a little bit late. when we were seized in the libya story and the american embassies were under attack from tunisia to indonesia, that was the time that he should have given it. now, he will be giving it. i think it's a great negatism but tell take the focus off the economy, which is where romney was scoring so heavily. he has to come back to the economy. stay on these points. he has to be a little bit wary because obama's going to come into the second debate, with low expectations and the second thing about this is, the second debate is going to be in a town hall that. places to obama's strengths. the relation with the audience. he has a way of connecting -- he did in the past. romney has trouble with that. if you remember the clinton/bush i debate, clinton won outright. so romney has to prepare for low expectations for obam awhich will help obama. he has to practice in a forum, in which he can relax with the audience. however, he has one great advantage, romney, he has the facts on his side and the ar
he gave a foreign policy speech, this monday, i am afraid it's a little bit late. when we were seized in the libya story and the american embassies were under attack from tunisia to indonesia, that was the time that he should have given it. now, he will be giving it. i think it's a great negatism but tell take the focus off the economy, which is where romney was scoring so heavily. he has to come back to the economy. stay on these points. he has to be a little bit wary because obama's going to...
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while new violence overseas put foreign policy back in the headlines this debate is not about foreign policy. this sedate is domestic issues, including three segments on health care and the high unemployment rate. we have coverage this hour from our correspondents following poet campaigns. we will speak with top advisors for the president and the governor. that is all ahead unless breaking news changes everything. this is "studio b." >> first from fox at 1:00 o'clock in denver, live from the university of denver. if hours, president and the governor will go head to head in their first debate, talking about the economy, health care, the role of government and governing. president obama looking to solidify his lead in the swing states that could decide the election. the president has been taking aim at governor romney's secretly recorded comments about the 47 percent of americans who do not pay income taxes. those comments will likely comment up tonight. for governor romney, the debate presents a chance to gain momentum by hitting the president where some consider him vulnerable, on job
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what does governor romney put across on monday on foreign policy? >> well, i think it's an excellent opportunity for governor romney to show leadership in a critical area for somebody who wants to be president. i think he's made the point before and i hope he'll make it again, that a strong american presence nationally is critical to sustain democrat prosperity at home and to provide the security that we need for international trade and finance, to protect american interests, and if you don't have a strong america, you don't have a strong economy and the reverse is true as well. without a strong economy, it's almost impossible to have a strong american presence around the world. so, i think that the inner relationships here, which president obama has never seemed to understand are one of the important points to make. >> well, here is something else to point out here, because in that interview with sean hannity, governor mitt romney also told fox news, the obama administration gave misleading information about the attack that killed a u.s. ambassador
what does governor romney put across on monday on foreign policy? >> well, i think it's an excellent opportunity for governor romney to show leadership in a critical area for somebody who wants to be president. i think he's made the point before and i hope he'll make it again, that a strong american presence nationally is critical to sustain democrat prosperity at home and to provide the security that we need for international trade and finance, to protect american interests, and if you...
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one segment on foreign policy. one segment on the role of governing and one segment on the role of government in people's lives, john. so how this is going to be set up is that the candidates will be sitting at podiums. if you're looking at your tv screen, mitt romney on your left, president obama on your right. the first question tonight, john, goes to barack obama. >> well, will they have a chance to mix it up and rebutt each other in a free-flowing way. >> organizers hope to have a flee-flowing discussion. this is the kind discussion we like to see because it allows the two candidates to discuss it amongst themselves. if there are questions about each other's plans, they can directly ask each other that. we have not seen that in this campaign and we'll see it tonight. >> you said the economy will likely be the big subject in the debate tonight. we have new polling to give a sense of what voters are saying about this right now. >> it is, john. no surprise, people are very downtrodden about the economy. let's look
one segment on foreign policy. one segment on the role of governing and one segment on the role of government in people's lives, john. so how this is going to be set up is that the candidates will be sitting at podiums. if you're looking at your tv screen, mitt romney on your left, president obama on your right. the first question tonight, john, goes to barack obama. >> well, will they have a chance to mix it up and rebutt each other in a free-flowing way. >> organizers hope to have...
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>> foreign policy. if you said a couple years ago i'd sit here saying the democratic candidate's strong suit is foreign policy, that would take me by surprise. >> the first debate is domestic policy. >> you're absolutely right. i would stick with the jobs numbers and talk about how we're not where we want to be relatively to 100 thousand plus being gained per month but it's better than an 800,000 job loss. people need to be reminded of the numbers. >> and romney's weapons? >> romney's weapon is still that executive card. bain and all, he has to say i've gotten it done in business. i know the liabilities attached to the profile, tamron, but that's the bed he chose and he has to have a private sector-like fix for the economy. >> no time limits on answers, moderator's discretion, domestic policy, at least 90 minutes devoted to the economy. we're going to talk about a new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll that looks at this debate. do you buy what chris christie said yesterday, this is a game-changer come
>> foreign policy. if you said a couple years ago i'd sit here saying the democratic candidate's strong suit is foreign policy, that would take me by surprise. >> the first debate is domestic policy. >> you're absolutely right. i would stick with the jobs numbers and talk about how we're not where we want to be relatively to 100 thousand plus being gained per month but it's better than an 800,000 job loss. people need to be reminded of the numbers. >> and romney's...
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policy. in the case of egypt, for instance, we talked a little bit about that in a press release. this is a country that should be protectg our embassy. while we give the money? let's withholdny money for egypt until they start acting like a nation, protect our embassy, and start not fundamentally consulting us by built -- by burning our flags? >> claire mccaskill. >> the war in iraq was mississippi. when i went to washington i went with the eyes of an auditor. harry truman is spinning in his grave over what went on in iraq. congressman akin not even go to require competitive contracts in iraq. i helped establish the war contacting commission when i got to washingto no one had paid much attention to this. we found $60 billion -- three years of the entire budget that almost went up in smoke in waste, fraud, a abuse. no one was minding the store. we have begun to clean that up. in afghanian, i support the mission of traing police and army, but what we are doing in turn up -- is wrong. we're doi
policy. in the case of egypt, for instance, we talked a little bit about that in a press release. this is a country that should be protectg our embassy. while we give the money? let's withholdny money for egypt until they start acting like a nation, protect our embassy, and start not fundamentally consulting us by built -- by burning our flags? >> claire mccaskill. >> the war in iraq was mississippi. when i went to washington i went with the eyes of an auditor. harry truman is...
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and mitt romney is the president has a record and he doesn't play politics with foreign policy. and i think that provides a great deal of security to voters. voters also rank the president as ahead of mitt romney on strong leadership. and that strong leadership is highly correlated with the decisive actions he's taken in foreign policy whether it is getting us out of iraq or finding osama bin laden or waiting to get the information before you incorrectly shoot from the hip which is what mitt romney did about libya. >> jennifer: that october surprise won't work. who knows if there is another one. there is a debate coming up tomorrow. 38% of voters say the upcoming debates actually are going to be important in helping their vote, make their vote. 38% according to this new nbc news "wall street journal" poll. have people really -- 38% not made up their minds? >> you know, it is a really interesting question because we have never gone into a debate with voters as polarized as they are today. and with as few undecideds as there are today. it is a really interesting question governor,
and mitt romney is the president has a record and he doesn't play politics with foreign policy. and i think that provides a great deal of security to voters. voters also rank the president as ahead of mitt romney on strong leadership. and that strong leadership is highly correlated with the decisive actions he's taken in foreign policy whether it is getting us out of iraq or finding osama bin laden or waiting to get the information before you incorrectly shoot from the hip which is what mitt...
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look what he's doing with foreign policy. >> gretchen: yesterday. paul ryan from wisconsin was asked about president obama's foreign policy and this is what he had to say. >> they are sponse was slow and confused and inconsistent and part of a bigger picture of the fact that the obama foreign policy is unraveling before our eyes . >> steve: what is happening right now in the middle east is the ugly fruits of the bum pumforeign policy. 20,000 killed and iran on the brink of having a atom bomb and russia thumb their nose . >> eric: the interview last night with karzai. terrorist attacks have increased maybe because of a preplanned exit the attitude he had. he's mad at the u.s. . we have lost 2000 lives. a trillion dollars, and they are mad. seriously? and then insider atax've -- attacks and the and al-qaida are working together to infiltrate the afghany police to attack us inside. >> gretchen: there were another two deaths over the weekend. they are not even going on patrol because the danger is too high. there is a lot of chaos. even though you liste
look what he's doing with foreign policy. >> gretchen: yesterday. paul ryan from wisconsin was asked about president obama's foreign policy and this is what he had to say. >> they are sponse was slow and confused and inconsistent and part of a bigger picture of the fact that the obama foreign policy is unraveling before our eyes . >> steve: what is happening right now in the middle east is the ugly fruits of the bum pumforeign policy. 20,000 killed and iran on the brink of...
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romney on foreign policy and the wars. and he is -- he's right there when he says that we don't know what mr. romney would do if he became president. mr. romney has said recently and vaguely that he supports what president obama is doing in afghanistan in terms of there being a timeline for leaving but he has also said he was against a timeline for leaving in the past. so really who knows? he's not even trying. the closest we've gotten to any competing cogent republican position on the war is probably what we got from senator john mccain at the republican convention when he said that the afghanistan war just shouldn't end. he also thinks that the iraq war shouldn't have ended. so i'm not sure that it's a politically viable position. even if it is an internally cogent one from the senator. for this year's nominee, it's apparently just not going to happen. not unless he starts it now. 40 days out, mitt romney did get as close as he gets to talking about the issue today. in that he spoke before a group of veterans and talked
romney on foreign policy and the wars. and he is -- he's right there when he says that we don't know what mr. romney would do if he became president. mr. romney has said recently and vaguely that he supports what president obama is doing in afghanistan in terms of there being a timeline for leaving but he has also said he was against a timeline for leaving in the past. so really who knows? he's not even trying. the closest we've gotten to any competing cogent republican position on the war is...
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thomas pickering as you know, a very respected leader in foreign policy, is heading an investigation to figure this out. nothing is more important. you know, the middle east as we know is a very, very dangerous place. and we have to keep our guard up even as we are engaged in that region of the world in bringing many of these new countries into really the democratic sphere. this is the first time they've been able to elect their leaders. i was heartened as many were to watch the demonstrations in libya that followed that terrorist ait tack, with 30,000 in the street, you know, demanding that those militias and those, you know, terrorists and islamic militias are disbanded. that gives us, you know, great hope for, you know, what can happen in a place like libya. >> thanks so much, robert gibbs, see you in denver, be there tomorrow. >> thanks, andre ya. >> up next, the testy senate debate in massachusetts. and still ahead, mitt romney's debate strategy. we'll talk to his top adviser kevin madden. join us in denver at the site of the first presidential debate. among our guests obama dep
thomas pickering as you know, a very respected leader in foreign policy, is heading an investigation to figure this out. nothing is more important. you know, the middle east as we know is a very, very dangerous place. and we have to keep our guard up even as we are engaged in that region of the world in bringing many of these new countries into really the democratic sphere. this is the first time they've been able to elect their leaders. i was heartened as many were to watch the demonstrations...